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(AI rulers are likely to accept the reformed religion if cynical, same dynasty as the reformer, or under control of a reformed ruler.) Table View Card View The reformed Pagan religions are usually pretty nice. The Orthodox Pentarchy is also fun. Priests cannot marry and cannot inherit. Holy Fury Pagan Reformation Tier List & Discussion, Holy Ghost Spirit isnt being talked about enough, Both my character and Christianity are based. AI rulers are less likely to start wars, plots and factions. Late to the party but I like this one; for the purpose of acquiring bloodlines. This means you may invade territory held by another faith, but still gain the defensive bonus so long as the battle takes place upon land of your faith. Matrilineal marriages are disabled. GHWs are especially useful for Germanic Fylkirs, who can select the target and timing of the attack. Can you achieve fame and fortune for your noble family, or will your names be forgotten to history? BTW, excommunications make king viceroys actually viable and not a PITA: you can excommunicate, arrest and execute a king viceroy whenever you like it, and appoint a new one. If that was the case, simply raising levies, toggling looter and waiting will remove the prestige penalty. However, all the random events based on traits (which drop relations by 15 for those without and raise by 15 for those with the trait) are the same, along with the end bonus of 100 piety and prestige and +15 to vassal relations for one year. +10% Attack for all units. Autonomous leadership bonus for an attribute depends on original pagan religion. I will explain at the end of paragraph. Great Holy War against a single disfigured child. The homeland attrition penalty does apply to reformed pagans of another faith, but the "old faith" heresies have no such protection against the reformed churches of their specific branch of paganism. Heir Designation is allowed (if at least one of. When you finally select to reform the religion, you will have to choose from many Natures and Doctrines which ones will represent you. Low MA will hurt you bad tho unless you're in middle east. All other ideologies are trash. However, the religion's holy sites are scattered far and wide making reformation very hard. Enatic-cognatic law is available. If there is levy size & attack bonus from unreformed religion or morale bonus from Animistic doctrine in the first doctrine slot, it is lost. Havent seen many posts about reforming the Bon religion. Crusader Kings is a historical grand strategy / RPG video game series for PC, Mac, Linux, PlayStation 5 & Xbox Series X|S developed & published by Paradox Interactive. Before patch 3.0, Hellenic paganism also fell into this category. =/. Reformation tends to grant benefits of stability and the capacity to declare wars on larger-scale targets that smaller pagan nations couldn't attack, but lose many of the benefits that would help a small pagan nation expand more readily or defend itself from larger targets. It just looks so good: +80% Defense and +80% morale for all units if fighting at county of this religion. The "too short ruler" penalty can be brutal if You don't have a majesty level high enough. Penalty to moral authority (-15%) and to mission. Some Religions (Germanic) keep +30% Levies when they reform and will only loose it through unyielding. The resulting empty holding slots further strengthens the horde. JavaScript is disabled. With , reformers can decide doctrines for the reformed faith. Women can take up to 3 consorts. When you login first time using a Social Login button, we collect your account public profile information shared by Social Login provider, based on your privacy settings. The unique traits of Autonomous are not that great, and GHWs are a must against large realms like the Ere. [1] These are not immediately obvious before reformation, or even immediately upon reformation. I like Buddhism because the combination of concubinage and heir-nomination means you can end up with an unbroken line of Strong Genius rulers if you play the genetics game well, but unfortunately they're lousy at expansion. No female temple holders. The African faith is followed by the peoples of sub-Saharan Africa. Patron Deities. Funny thing about equality is that you can give consorts to your wife hehe. All defensive pagans have access to Ancestor Worship & Choose Patron deity decision. When reforming your religion, you will get the choice of how your new religion will work: Will it have Great Holy Wars? Penalties ( But Imperial Succession is nearly same as heir designation so you may want to pick the Religious tax doctrine to get tons of cash. The Zunists are unique in that they are somewhat of a hybrid of the Offensive and Defensive; generic Paganism grants no bonuses. if you raid a lot + capture bonus from society + capture bonus from the military trait. Suomenusko retains a sizable number of provinces throughout the game and it is very easy to put the fear of Ukko to other religions, whether you start in 769, 867 or 1066. The faith is widespread in early starting dates, and some of the realms, such as Croatia, are already feudal rather than tribal. There are 6 Natures you can choose from, all with their advantages and disadvantages: Peaceful Bonuses +3 Demesne limit. AI rulers are more aggressive.AI rulers only convert same-group provinces and only when zealous With it, You can just forget about any problems during succession. The ability to raid makes some pagans uniquely wealthy in the early game. Holy sites: Novgorod (shared with Suomenusko), Kiev, Plock, Birlad, and Rugen (shared with Romuva). I have received few private messages and some even answered to the thread when the post was very old. Defensive attrition is a powerful deterrent in the early game. I mean making the enemy duke your vassal king through external inheritance? It's hard for me to rate a largely RNG mechanic highly. Also, as tech advances, rival feudal realms can take advantage to construct better buildings for greater economic and military power. Ancestor Worship. + Bloodthirsty Gods, Seabound, Unrelenting. You want to conquer followers of the Cross/Crescent anyways. What, in your opinion, is the best aim training? +5% Morale of armies. Germanic pagans do especially well since they get free ships, can navigate rivers, and are close to prime raiding targets. I hope this tier list/guide was useful for you here reading this, despite its huge length. I've gained several kingdoms w/o trying to; I was just trying to get their bloodlines in my main line. You trade some of your offensive/defensive capability for stability, faster conversion, and Great Holy Wars to combat Crusades and Jihads. Ship maintenance reduced to 10%. Can you achieve fame and fortune for your noble family, or will your names be forgotten to history? Although I admit the bloodline bugs with male consorts are beyond annoying. Reformed offensive pagans no longer lose prestige when at peace. The principal ability of defensive pagans (Romuva, Slavic, Suomenusko & African) is a tremendous boost in combat when fighting on home ground. My guide was more aimed at the casual/experienced player rather than the hardcore veteran (hardcore veterans don't need guides/tierlists!). Full status of woman law is enforced. Hinduism is solid with the early Holy Order, morale buff, patron deities and raiding but they lack any inheritance/realm management perks. No female temple holders. Traits inherited from unreformed religion. The lack of a formal religious tradition means that pagans have a harder time spreading their faith outside pagan lands. Reforming the Aztec faith is possible but extremely difficult. This discussion is purely about game mechanics. being able to roleplay as discount Vikings as any pagan religion can be fun, and using rivers is always an interesting mechanic. Cosmopolitan: I used it once, its fun, allows us to snatch some alliances with infidel neighbours, or non-aggro pacts with infidel vassals. Aztec religion only appears in-game if Sunset Invasion DLC is in use. But if you want to expand, Unyielding is not that useful . Cannot create Warrior Lodge if it does not already exist. I've played as African pagan a lot since HF dropped and I'd never ever take TG over AV. Once that is done, you will also need 750 piety and 50% moral authority to start the process. Ilmen is also surrounded primarily by weak Suomenusko and Romuva pagans and is shielded by an ocean from the Norse until the Viking Age event triggers, giving plenty of time to solidify power. Depending on the spread of the faith before reformation, heresy may or may not become a major issue. "Converting" for a day so you can join a society seems pretty gamey to me - i.e. +5% Morale of armies. All holders of holdings do not have to be Muslim for this tax to apply the top ruler being it is enghout. Enatic law is enforced, open succession law is unlocked. Crusader Kings II. Ship maintenance reduced to 10%. This gives me some new options to consider. West African religion is a blanket term for the diverse pagan beliefs of the tribes of Sub-Saharan West Africa. That deserves recognition. AI rulers only try to convert provinces if zealous I agree with most of what you said but I would put the Civilised doctrine as tier 1. Reformer becomes the first religious head. Reforming the religion will cause a schism in the pagan faith. As such, it is best used when the player is ready for their nation to "mature" from aggressive expansion against small targets to needing to maintain an empire. Need the +3 demense to have enough personal levies and also +15 opinion combined with Augustus trait and Born in the Purple ( another +15 opinion) is pretty OP. Religious Control Mandate law is unavailable.AI rulers will not convert provinces. Zun can also be reformed like other pagan faiths. Marry 4 women with good traits, then pick the best kid that pops out. Harmonious expands our pool of talent but makes it harder to stack bloodlines due to disallowed cousin incest. The other side of the coin is that peace is seen as unbecoming. Though, Unyielding isnt perfect. For example, if you want to paint the map, pick Temporal and use GHW. Don't @ me, if you dis. Matrilineal marriages are disabled. Espaol - Latinoamrica (Spanish - Latin America), https://ck2.paradoxwikis.com/Pagans#Synergies, https://forum.paradoxplaza.com/forum/index.php?threads/holy-fury-reformation-doctrine-list.1115209/. Agnatic law is enforced, open succession law is unlocked. It's included in Children of Perun and Survivors of Ukko btw. Germanic faith is the faith of Scandinavian & Saxon people, worshiping deities like Odin/Wotan. Rulers with Zunist holy sites in their demesne may also secretly convert to the faith. Rulers can order subject to Take the Vows, disqualifying them from succession. The pagan homeland attrition penalty does not function, however, against other unreformed pagans. Rulers lose prestige when at peace for too long. No females in the council. With Divine Marriage and Hierocratic leader as a vassal, you can repeatedly divorce and marry the same close relative, each time gaining free money or prestige, and piety. Norse: Cultural one, then either agnatic, stability or blood sacrifices, depending on playstyle. Priests cannot inherit. Pagan Religion Reformation Advice. It also supports early-game dominance - you are next-to-none as a Germanic ruler in 867. In game terms, reformed pagans no longer face the restrictions on crown authority, succession, independence wars and conversion that other pagans do. If gender flexibility is desired, Ancestor Veneration can be chosen for Eldership succession. CK2 Pagan Reformation - Natures The first thing you will choose is one Nature. Partially redundant with Sea-Bound doctrine. If a king of a faith stays true to the old ways, and many vassals convert to the new religion, this can cause tremendous upheaval in a nation, and lead to multiple, simultaneous and devastating deep revolts. If you have tribal government, it is recommended to choose either Agnatic Clans or Enatic Clans doctrine to avoid Gavelkind succession law. Unyielding is a must for small Pagan surrounded by powerful Abrahamic realms. I changed my mind about divine marriage doctrine, it actually allows us to breed new bloodlines fairly easy into our dynasty. Except if you have founded bloodines with male rulers already. Reformer gets a powerful artifact. Also offsets short reign. Access to Hermetic society. Nature: Peaceful ( you will rule a massive empire as a Roman and will mostly have Vassal Kings. Pretty useless outside india but with gavelkind sucession you can have a demesene of twenty counties. - can ask the leader of this realm to help convert the tribal leader's realm to the organized religion.Benefactor needs to be non-tribal, non-nomadic, non-theocracy (so you can't ask Pope for mass conversion . Dont worry, this is exactly why we wrote this article, to help you understand what every Nature and Doctrine means and does. Ancestor Worship decision available. Germanic rulers lose their retinue size bonus and now get penalties for raised levies like other rulers. With the exception of the reformed Germanic religion, the faith will also immediately gain a holy order. The below table contains all 53 religions from Crusader Kings II, along with all religion IDs, for use in console commands such as religion. B. Doctrine 1: Polygamy: To make best use of Imperial Succession, having loads of wives is good as you can pick the best heir one of them pops out. Ironically, the low technology is a greater issue after the adoption of feudalism, as feudal realms require higher tech for the construction of buildings. So I'm not a very big fan of Autonomous. Unlocks divine marriage, allowing and encouraging incestuous marriages. Community Patch with Improved Genetics 2.0 and Other Mods, Pagan Ancestor and Sea King Bloodline Changes, https://ck2.paradoxwikis.com/Bloodline#Ancestor_Veneration_Bloodlines. No penalty for female rulers. First off I didn't do any exploits. Equality allows the player to not only land females, but also to get even higher scores since female dynasts could have consorts, who as concubines provides prestige. Ancestor Veneration A for Power, A for Fun, Bloodthirsty Gods B- For Power, A for Fun, Stability/Children of Perun (Slavic)/Survivor of Ukko (Suomenusko). If consorts are available and the Peaceful religion nature and Tribalist traits from Autonomous leadership outweigh the Short Reign penalty (and the player ensures that most vassals are of the player's dynasty), it makes sense to pick Divine Marriage instead of Stability, to get an even higher score from Divine marriages, in situations where inbreeding is already likely. No Revolt Risk for different religion in county. They keep access to county conquests and raids. AI rulers only convert same-group provinces and only when zealous. When the religion is reformed, rulers of the faith may choose to accept or reject the new order of things. No female temple holders. Additionally, those defensive pagans who are tribal, may call forth Devout Warriors (without ). For example, the average/casual player is probably not going be aggressively bloodline stacking. PegaluxX. Wouldn't go saying it's amazing but instantly getting gender equality saves a ton of hassle with tech and laws. Example: Your sister matri marries some guy from Ashina dynasty, they have a daughter for example, all you have to do is to matri marry her to your male heir. It's a bit of a challenge but shouldn't be too much for any player with a bit of experience. Once your account is created, you'll be logged-in to this account. They can easily convert provinces by pillaging every holding in a province. For tribal pagans, reforming makes it easier to raise tribal organization. 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